Women are abused/killed all over the world for the trivial and ridiculous of reasons. Female infants are killed in India because.. well...because they're born as females. Fathers kill daughters because she SEEMED to be friendly with the neighbor's son.
I hate it when people drag religion into an issue. I feel as though it is just ONE of the differences between us...yet it makes people take innocent lives. Isn't religion supposed to make one a better person? Isn't religion supposed to enhance a person's good qualities?
Romance with a soldier from occupying forces at the age of 17 in a middle east Islamic nation?
Come on!It would be NEWS only if she had gone on to live with that 22 year old soldier. And to be frank, I don't think that guy would have married her anyway. So it's more of a sweet ending.
Regardless of what happened, a girl died because of who she fell in love with. She was killed brutally (and don't tell me that it doesn't happen often...).
She was killed man!!! WHERE do you see the 'sweet'ness in there?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? People from different background do fall in love and do end up together by the way...!
It's easy to sit before your computer and type some heart wrenching lines over tragic romantic story that happened across the ocean but that isn't going to stop anything. To me, she got what she deserved. Marred idea? May be.
@ Absconding - I know... Particularly when you read papers here in the US, you daily read news of them are being abused! Hope there is an end to it!
@ Maverick - These kinda things are crazy to the core
@ Venkat - @ Both the comments. I know its real bad in the middle east. And realize that sitting here and ranting abt it does not solve the issue. On the other hand, I do not realize how being happy for it will solve the issue.
And by the virtue of these guys doing it to the women folk doesn't mean that they deserve it. I hope women talk to men every where in the world.
BTW, welcome to the blog.
@ G3 - And to make things worse.. the way she was killed by her father and brother...Cruel
Dude, I am not celebrating her death. I am just saying she should have understood her culture better.
By the way, who on earth romances with a soldier from occupying force? In India that's equivalent to a Kashmiri romancing with a Pakistani soldier who crossed border during Kargil war. No wonder the traitor got killed.
I thought even killing is cruel... I do not know if any one deserves a right to kill some one (be it a man or woman) for loving some one. But you can always have your point of view and you can stand by it!
What kind of barbaric idea are you conveying?? "She got what she deserved"??? Who in the world are YOU to say WHAT she deserves. She is a human being and she deserves to be treated that way!!!
I do accept reality and I do understand that this kind of atrocity happens in such conservative countries...even in India. But one can't help but sympathize for these girls.
Contrary to what you may think, some people can't help who they fall in love with. These people are HUMANS first..then a muslim or a soldier!!! As long as people can't come to terms with it, these heinous acts will prevail!!
I have accepted the fact that life is not so fair and that you can't expect things to go your way. I understand that these cultures are very unique and that they demand certain things from the denizens of the country. As a human, I find certain ideas absolutely ridiculous!!
You don't have to sympathize ...can't you try not to mock these girls, the least?!
Isn't it just plain irritating ? its only that you can kill and get away with it in iraq. and in india you cant. so parents resort to a different kinda emotional torture. not that physical torture is completely non-existant. It seems to be everywhere man.
And where did you get the notion that I'm an EMO?!?!?!?! Dude please!!
May be if you become less cynical, you will understand what LOVE exactly means!!! May be you should try EXPERIENCING what love is rather than 'reading about it'!!!
Oh of course..opinions are like assholes..everyone has them!! Sure..you have the right to express them.
It's fortunate (for you) that you don't get killed (brutally) for expressing an opinion that's different from mine!!
@ Ramki - Yes, I realize that its every where and is being done in different severity level. And I know people, enjoying all the liberty, endorsing such cruelty.
@ Venkat - What I believe is that no one DESERVES to be killed. If she falls for a brit soldier, so be it. I seriously fail to understand your POV. If some one is born in a conservative society and falls for some one would you want her to be killed by her own family by stamping on her neck until she dies? What the heck? I would seriosuly consider lunatics endorsing this cruelty. We see people standing for cruelty against animals...and look whts happening to human beings.
Talking about barbarians, Iraq is not the only place. If you ever happen to flip through the pages of 'Junior Vikadan' or 'Kumudham Reporter' or even 'Dhinathandi' for that matter, you will know.
The action of their family, is undeniably beyond being termed as 'barbaric'. It is true that infatuation can make one's life miserable, if not corrected by parents and other well wishers.While she thought of sharing her life with that soldier, it may be that he would have thought to share only something else with her. But isn't her family responsible to make her understand things and tell her what reality is?
To hell with people who fail to understand what the religion says!
@venkat-Humans are sympathetic, caring and passionate. And if you’re born as a human you must have these qualities in you no matter what. But I fail to see that in you (and I am not sorry to say this) This is the first time I have seen someone enjoy a death. Her being a muslim..n falling in love with a british soldier is secondary, we are talking about the way she was killed And if you ever think twice before falling in love then it’s not love. You call it bargain. As absconding said you don’t have to sympathize...the least you can do is stop commenting your opinions.
@prashanth- sorry for being rude but this is not the way to handle things like this. When is this world going to change? Some people never fail to surprise me.
few months back we had a similar issue in toronto , media boosted it as honor killing , infact what happened was an accident ...
manga kidacha pothum, media will add all the masala to it ...
when even in a well organised nations like UK (let it be diana or queen elizabeth affairs) or canada or US media hype is so untrustable , how come we expect the news from a country like iraq , where no proper law and order in place, where nothing is as such legal , what is the authenticity of these news ...
we should not forget the HONOR killing in our country itself done from ages in the name of "SATI" from time to time we also get such incidents happening illegally in remote areas ...
"NARABALI" sacrifice of human kids , taking place in the name of religion ..
is this really religiously adviced , still it is pathetic it does happens some times some where in this world
@ Victorious - Yup. It happens in India too... but the family doing this to the girl? I cannot imagine that in India. When you read news papers in the US you know whts happening arnd to the women of this world. Shame on men!
@ Ramki - I never thot tht this post to trigger a debate. All is well ends well
@ Mac - Nandri hein!
@ Mystery - Just cool it down! I respect perspectives and he wrote his perspective here. I mean thts wht he thinks. So be it. And people are born to surprise each other.. aren't they?
@ Rayees - I perfectly understand your points. I also agree that "Narabali" "saamiyaar" "Maamiyaar" et al happens in India. But does your country stand by it? I mean those are termed CRIMINAL activities in India. In this case, the father was given money by country to stay else where until the news disappears in to thin air.
He is a government servant and he has been asked not to report to office... but he will be continued to be paid. Now doesn't tht sound encouraging to other ppl out there? Thats where Iraq is doing the mistake.
On your reply to Rayees, I COMPLETELY Agree Mac!!!!
Indians can be considered as More Humans and less Beasts when compared to few ppl out there in the rest of the world!
@ Rayees
//manga kidacha pothum, media will add all the masala to it ...//
I totally agree with u... But this incident cannot be termed as adding Masala to Mangaa!! And this news never came in an Iraqi News Paper... I hope Guardian UK is trustable!!!!!! Appadi enha news mediavume not trustable na we cannot believe ANY DAMN NEWS!!!
I hope u don't take me in the wrong sense... Namma oorula neraya vishayangal nadakkudhu.... Aana I guess it is apt to discuss about the topic of discussion here... As it MIGHT lead to sevaral other topics.... :)
prash sorry, but i am not able to keep shut any more. am also jumping in.
first of all, venkat, i dont totally not agree with your first sentiments. re-worded, they sound to me like , even if it is gross injustice, why did the girl let it happen to her ? was there anyway she could have avoided it ? ok agreed, she dint have a chance in physical fights, but what do the other girls who read the news take from this one ? I subscribe to the same school of thought.
But i dont really understand the subsequent comments to you and also your counter comments, and also now why you are laughing. i have no rights to ask you, but since we have come to this forum, it would help clarify if you explain.
@Prashant - what? No one deserves to die? No one? You need to come out of your cave.
Two words to describe this argument - It all comes down to cultural differences. You see, the point here is - A 16 year old having sex with his/her partner is not a big deal in western world whereas in India,I bet, this is unacceptable. In Saudi a woman going out without a burkha is a serious offense. In Pakistan, there's no law to punish mercy killings.
How about you all lead a movement to reform this whole world to make them understand your way of life? What I said is this girl deserved it because she knew what was coming to her. Add to it that it was not a Iraqi man that she fell in love with.. it was a soldier from western world which is responsible for killing nearly a million Iraqis. Makes any sense? All you poor kids, grow up.
By the way,Isn't it funny that Indians think Iraqis are barbaric and Western world think Indians are barbaric? What are you going to do about it.. write a blog post to cry out loud?
@absconding - "It's fortunate (for you) that you don't get killed (brutally) for expressing an opinion that's different from mine!!" So when someone doesn't agree with you, they should get killed brutally? wow! You're right when you said opinions are like a@#@@#.
Venkat - you do not seem to buy in one point. I know tht the girl knows tht her country does not allow women to walk around freely and talk to strangers (men). My rant was, just in case you probably missed, is that why the country is still subscribing to such acts. You might want to read my response to Rayees. I am damn sure that the same situation could be handled in a lot different way called human way. And why do you want to get other countries in? I am not trying to single out any country. It so happened that the news item I picked upon was from Iraq.
And if you get your English basics right, there is a sea of difference between "No one deserves to be killed" and "No one deserves to die".
And what I also fail to understand is that what do you want us to take from your counter argument? Are you here to say that what the family did to the girl was right? If that was the case, then I might want you to shut up. Of course, will be conveyed in a polite way.
And I am not here blogging to reform the world or to cry out for help. I write what I feel and you can't question me on that.
"So when someone doesn't agree with you, they should get killed brutally? wow! You're right when you said opinions are like a@#@@#." - Venkat
So sorry to hear that you didn't get what exactly I was trying to convey! READ IT AGAIN and relate that to the story...hmm.. may be you'll 'get it'!
Very glad to see that you have found humor in my comments. You have proven yourself..... AGAIN!!! And excuse me for arguing from a HUMAN standpoint. Who the hell can learn about an emotion or a feeling BY READING about it????
No one called a specific group of people barbaric. People called the ACTIONS barbaric. She was beaten to death. Oh..well..you know here among us human, we kind of feel that it is brutal and barbaric.
Are you here to say that what the family did to the girl was right? No, I didn't say that. Read all my comments. What I said was the girl deserves it and I have given enough explanations to support my views.Now again,it's not about whether it's right or wrong but whether she deserves it or not for being such a fool.
If that was the case, then I might want you to shut up. Of course, will be conveyed in a polite way. You can always ask someone to shut up...not sure how one can ask someone to shut up in a polite way.I think you are missing the very purpose of blogging...eventhough this is your blog, you have no right to stop people from commenting. However,You have the right to keep your blog private or delete comments which you think doesn't make sense.
My rant was, just in case you probably missed, is that why the country is still subscribing to such acts. My point is that when you live in a country that subscribes to such an act,then control yourself or at least be smart enough not to romance in the public. Is it that difficult to understand? Wherever they are, Fools deserve to die and I don't care a damn about it because there are plenty of other deaths that deserves sympathy. And do you seriously think that the father killed his daughter because she was having a friendly chat with an English soldier? I bet there's plenty more that the bloody western media chose not to publish.
And if you get your English basics right, there is a sea of difference between "No one deserves to be killed" and "No one deserves to die". Pot calling the kettle black? Dude, come on,don't act as if you are a Shakespeare. My point was clear - I think there are people (millions of them) who deserve to be killed. Why else do you think countries still have death sentences?
I write what I feel and you can't question me on that. Don't be childish.No one questioned your rights to blog.
Two rules of life that very well applies to blogosphere too: Learn to accept opinions even if it differs from yours. You have no rights to ask someone to shut up.
Venkat - I thank you for educating me on the way blog works.
And why would I want to argue with some one who doesn't know or want to appreciate the difference btwn getting killed for doing unlawful things and getting brutally killed for chatting or romancing a guy? Has the country declard tht wht d girl did was unlawful?
You started off well my friend. But ur subsequent comments were as bad as it can get and thts when I hit back.
I am here to accept other's POV. But if u want me to buy in insane comments, probably u can luk upon some one else.
Everyone are hypocrites in some way or the other... All eccentrics are hypocrites for sure... But its corollary might not be true always... - John Mcgee
"Eccentricity is not, as dull people would have us believe, a form of madness. It is often a kind of innocent pride, and the man of genius and the aristocrat are frequently regarded as eccentrics because genius and aristocrat are entirely unafraid of and uninfluenced by the opinions and vagaries of the crowd."
i want to ask why do you hope ? but someone will say "Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness" , so i stop here.
"Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." - Euripides
Dude, it's John McGee not John Mcgee. Anyone who has been to Central Park knows his name because before moving in as your neighbour he was lunatic roaming around Central Park.
What the hell? I do not want to google and quote here but I can say, at the least, that no genius ever claimed himself to be one and if he does, seldom he is one among them!
And if some one is genius and the rest of the world is unable to get there, so be it. Lest the self proclaimed genius shouldn't turn lunatic on non-acceptance!
Pot calling the kettle black? Who got personal? Actor, Eccentric,fool? Frankly speaking, I don't have any problems with it.
No one proclaimed to be genius. All those quotes were sent as a response to your quotes and to show that using someone's quote in an argument is lame because there's equally powerful counter quote somewhere out there! It's funny that you guys thought.
@Prashanth, What do you think of yourself? A freaking philosopher? :P
@John McGee's neighbour - Dude, I've given an explanation about how I came to know about his name. Read,Understand and then Reply.
Venkat.... I seriously don't understand till now why in this earth you thought the words "Actor", "Eccentric", "Fool" AND "Genius" were for YOU!!! I already wrote a disclaimer that "I m sorry if my quotes reminded you of yourself by any chance.. If it did it is purely coincidental" and you needn't be a Shakespeare to understand this!
And I said U got personal coz u talked some crap about my begreat friend and my neighbour Mr. John Mcgee and that's why I said you do not have any reason to get personal here mate!
And I still don't see an explanation to my question "How do YOU know that"... If you say u've seen him in Central Park, I have to tell you something... He actually never knows what is Central Park.. When asked, he says "I know only Central Station and Park Station in Channai" :O...
@ Venkat - Did you mean a freaking philosopher or a philosophy freak?
In case you meant the former, probably I think a whole lot abt myself. Should you even care?
In case of latter - Not yet getting there! :P
@ All - I apologize for even picking this topic for a post. I should have let go the murder and the family just the way government did. I now realize why the govt did wht they did.
Venkat.... I seriously don't understand till now why in this earth you thought the words "Actor", "Eccentric", "Fool" AND "Genius" were for YOU!!!
you needn't be a Shakespeare to understand this!
Again, a funny case of pot calling the kettle black
Where did I connect those words with me? Like I said before Read, Understand and then Reply.
Prashanth, it's clearly mentioned as 'a freaking philosopher'. And who said I cared about who you are?
@ All - I apologize for even picking this topic for a post. I should have let go the murder and the family just the way government did. I now realize why the govt did wht they did. LOL. You think Govt. should send out an official statement for each and every murder that happens on this earth?
Are my eyes deceiving me?? You guys are STILL on this??
We have already esbalished that there are mixed reactions about what had happened! Most people believe that it was a terrible thing to have happened to that girl. Some think that she knew what was coming and should have avoided feeling a certain way.. because she was well aware of the repercussions!!!
I'm not questioning your 'freedom' of speech. But don't you think that straying from the topic and thus making personal attacks is just absolutely unnecessary??
Trust me..talking about what you are talking about now is not going to change any of your mentality of views! Why waste your time over it when you can waste some time somewhere else! :D
Not that my comment is going to make a difference..but I thought I'd be in the sunflower among the weed!! :D
finally Heartless honor topic ended up by hurting each other personally ...
whatever, looking at the above news it is pretty clear , what happened over there is not just the killing of girl but also the innocent 22 week kid , what is its fault , that it was sqeezed to death by honor shoes and those proud indian villagers are very proud for what has happened ...
whatever , but no religion justifies such practices, neither the religion nor the nationality is to be blamed for ..
we should never forget about usilampatti wombs and infants ...
In some society a few cracks do it , and they justify it in the name of whatever pleases them ...
The cruelest murder in my view is Abortion, finishing with a quote of mother Teresa, "The Greatest destroyer of peace is abortion,for if a mother can kill her own child, what is left for me to kill you and you to kill me, there is nothing in between "
The comments page for this particular was blocked in our office for some phrases and on seeing the count of comments in the main page, I thought some spammer have hacked your blog. Didn't know an interesting discussion WAS going on here. Good post!!!
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Women are abused/killed all over the world for the trivial and ridiculous of reasons. Female infants are killed in India because.. well...because they're born as females. Fathers kill daughters because she SEEMED to be friendly with the neighbor's son.
I hate it when people drag religion into an issue. I feel as though it is just ONE of the differences between us...yet it makes people take innocent lives. Isn't religion supposed to make one a better person? Isn't religion supposed to enhance a person's good qualities?
Where did we go wrong?
Absolutely heartbreaking story!!
Humans becoming Beasts! Or am I degrading beasts here?
Romance with a soldier from occupying forces at the age of 17 in a middle east Islamic nation?
Come on!It would be NEWS only if she had gone on to live with that 22 year old soldier. And to be frank, I don't think that guy would have married her anyway. So it's more of a sweet ending.
@ venkat
Regardless of what happened, a girl died because of who she fell in love with. She was killed brutally (and don't tell me that it doesn't happen often...).
She was killed man!!! WHERE do you see the 'sweet'ness in there?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? People from different background do fall in love and do end up together by the way...!
@venkat so the only solution to her story if she doesn't get married to the soldier is dying? You have marred ideas!
Look people, if you don't want to accept reality, so be it.I bet 90% of girls in Islamic nations face the same fate as this girl.
"If you are at Rome live in the Roman style; if you are elsewhere live as they live elsewhere"
It's as simple as that.
I am not arguing over the moral of this story. I am not trying to say death is the solution.Things could have been far worse.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/03/iraq.charge/
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/world/middleeast/11casualties.html
It's easy to sit before your computer and type some heart wrenching lines over tragic romantic story that happened across the ocean but that isn't going to stop anything. To me, she got what she deserved. Marred idea? May be.
@ Absconding - I know... Particularly when you read papers here in the US, you daily read news of them are being abused! Hope there is an end to it!
@ Maverick - These kinda things are crazy to the core
@ Venkat - @ Both the comments. I know its real bad in the middle east. And realize that sitting here and ranting abt it does not solve the issue. On the other hand, I do not realize how being happy for it will solve the issue.
And by the virtue of these guys doing it to the women folk doesn't mean that they deserve it. I hope women talk to men every where in the world.
BTW, welcome to the blog.
@ G3 - And to make things worse.. the way she was killed by her father and brother...Cruel
Dude, I am not celebrating her death. I am just saying she should have understood her culture better.
By the way, who on earth romances with a soldier from occupying force? In India that's equivalent to a Kashmiri romancing with a Pakistani soldier who crossed border during Kargil war. No wonder the traitor got killed.
The method of killing purely highlights the barbarianism in them!
Let's email them requesting them to kill their next daughter in a way that would please you..I mean not in a cruel way...Okay?
I thought even killing is cruel... I do not know if any one deserves a right to kill some one (be it a man or woman) for loving some one. But you can always have your point of view and you can stand by it!
Anga enna prechnayo! y this much sanda?
@ Venkat
What kind of barbaric idea are you conveying?? "She got what she deserved"??? Who in the world are YOU to say WHAT she deserves. She is a human being and she deserves to be treated that way!!!
I do accept reality and I do understand that this kind of atrocity happens in such conservative countries...even in India. But one can't help but sympathize for these girls.
Contrary to what you may think, some people can't help who they fall in love with. These people are HUMANS first..then a muslim or a soldier!!! As long as people can't come to terms with it, these heinous acts will prevail!!
I have accepted the fact that life is not so fair and that you can't expect things to go your way. I understand that these cultures are very unique and that they demand certain things from the denizens of the country. As a human, I find certain ideas absolutely ridiculous!!
You don't have to sympathize ...can't you try not to mock these girls, the least?!
Isn't it just plain irritating ? its only that you can kill and get away with it in iraq. and in india you cant. so parents resort to a different kinda emotional torture. not that physical torture is completely non-existant. It seems to be everywhere man.
Absconding.. stop being an EMO. I've read a lot about 'Love is blind' crap... but can't these idiotic lovers at least use some common sense?
By the way,whether you like it or not, I have all the rights to share my opinion.
@ Venkat
And where did you get the notion that I'm an EMO?!?!?!?! Dude please!!
May be if you become less cynical, you will understand what LOVE exactly means!!! May be you should try EXPERIENCING what love is rather than 'reading about it'!!!
Oh of course..opinions are like assholes..everyone has them!! Sure..you have the right to express them.
It's fortunate (for you) that you don't get killed (brutally) for expressing an opinion that's different from mine!!
@ Arun - Prechana dhaan ba ingha sandai.
@ Ramki - Yes, I realize that its every where and is being done in different severity level. And I know people, enjoying all the liberty, endorsing such cruelty.
@ Venkat - What I believe is that no one DESERVES to be killed. If she falls for a brit soldier, so be it. I seriously fail to understand your POV. If some one is born in a conservative society and falls for some one would you want her to be killed by her own family by stamping on her neck until she dies? What the heck? I would seriosuly consider lunatics endorsing this cruelty.
We see people standing for cruelty against animals...and look whts happening to human beings.
This is my POV.
Talking about barbarians, Iraq is not the only place. If you ever happen to flip through the pages of 'Junior Vikadan' or 'Kumudham Reporter' or even 'Dhinathandi' for that matter, you will know.
The action of their family, is undeniably beyond being termed as 'barbaric'. It is true that infatuation can make one's life miserable, if not corrected by parents and other well wishers.While she thought of sharing her life with that soldier, it may be that he would have thought to share only something else with her. But isn't her family responsible to make her understand things and tell her what reality is?
To hell with people who fail to understand what the religion says!
its nice that we are all discussing something serious. never took blogging seriously myself. good one machan.
@ absconding
chill it :D
@ Mac
US la irundhukittu india la yeanda kalavaram undaakrenga :D.... good post mac.... :P
@ venkat
y this kola veri? :-O
@venkat-Humans are sympathetic, caring and passionate. And if you’re born as a human you must have these qualities in you no matter what. But I fail to see that in you (and I am not sorry to say this)
This is the first time I have seen someone enjoy a death.
Her being a muslim..n falling in love with a british soldier is secondary, we are talking about the way she was killed
And if you ever think twice before falling in love then it’s not love. You call it bargain.
As absconding said you don’t have to sympathize...the least you can do is stop commenting your opinions.
@prashanth- sorry for being rude but this is not the way to handle things like this. When is this world going to change? Some people never fail to surprise me.
:)
seconding victorious i just wanno say ...
namma ooru tea kadai Thinath thanthi la itha vida periya periya swarasyamaaana matteru namma pakka therula laye nadanthu irukkum , ithellam jujupi indian high courts la poi parunga, evlo galeej galeej cases nadakkuthu ..
OUr country itself is famous for maamiyar kodumai
as well as SAAMIYAR kodumai
also very very famous
few months back we had a similar issue in toronto , media boosted it as honor killing , infact what happened was an accident ...
manga kidacha pothum, media will add all the masala to it ...
when even in a well organised nations like UK (let it be diana or queen elizabeth affairs) or canada or US media hype is so untrustable , how come we expect the news from a country like iraq , where no proper law and order in place, where nothing is as such legal , what is the authenticity of these news ...
namma oorlaye onnu kidaka onnu publish panranuva ....
iraq pathi UK news evlo sathyam pesuvaanu nenaikkuringa ?
Heartless Honor :)
we should not forget the HONOR killing in our country itself done from ages in the name of "SATI" from time to time we also get such incidents happening illegally in remote areas ...
"NARABALI" sacrifice of human kids , taking place in the name of religion ..
is this really religiously adviced , still it is pathetic
it does happens some times some where in this world
....
@ Victorious - Yup. It happens in India too... but the family doing this to the girl? I cannot imagine that in India. When you read news papers in the US you know whts happening arnd to the women of this world. Shame on men!
@ Ramki - I never thot tht this post to trigger a debate. All is well ends well
@ Mac - Nandri hein!
@ Mystery - Just cool it down! I respect perspectives and he wrote his perspective here. I mean thts wht he thinks. So be it. And people are born to surprise each other.. aren't they?
@ Rayees - I perfectly understand your points. I also agree that "Narabali" "saamiyaar" "Maamiyaar" et al happens in India. But does your country stand by it? I mean those are termed CRIMINAL activities in India. In this case, the father was given money by country to stay else where until the news disappears in to thin air.
He is a government servant and he has been asked not to report to office... but he will be continued to be paid. Now doesn't tht sound encouraging to other ppl out there? Thats where Iraq is doing the mistake.
@ Mac
On your reply to Rayees, I COMPLETELY Agree Mac!!!!
Indians can be considered as More Humans and less Beasts when compared to few ppl out there in the rest of the world!
@ Rayees
//manga kidacha pothum, media will add all the masala to it ...//
I totally agree with u... But this incident cannot be termed as adding Masala to Mangaa!! And this news never came in an Iraqi News Paper... I hope Guardian UK is trustable!!!!!! Appadi enha news mediavume not trustable na we cannot believe ANY DAMN NEWS!!!
I hope u don't take me in the wrong sense... Namma oorula neraya vishayangal nadakkudhu.... Aana I guess it is apt to discuss about the topic of discussion here... As it MIGHT lead to sevaral other topics.... :)
ROTFL @ absconding and mystery.
prash sorry, but i am not able to keep shut any more. am also jumping in.
first of all, venkat, i dont totally not agree with your first sentiments. re-worded, they sound to me like , even if it is gross injustice, why did the girl let it happen to her ? was there anyway she could have avoided it ? ok agreed, she dint have a chance in physical fights, but what do the other girls who read the news take from this one ? I subscribe to the same school of thought.
But i dont really understand the subsequent comments to you and also your counter comments, and also now why you are laughing. i have no rights to ask you, but since we have come to this forum, it would help clarify if you explain.
@Prashant - what? No one deserves to die? No one? You need to come out of your cave.
Two words to describe this argument - It all comes down to cultural differences. You see, the point here is - A 16 year old having sex with his/her partner is not a big deal in western world whereas in India,I bet, this is unacceptable. In Saudi a woman going out without a burkha is a serious offense. In Pakistan, there's no law to punish mercy killings.
How about you all lead a movement to reform this whole world to make them understand your way of life? What I said is this girl deserved it because she knew what was coming to her. Add to it that it was not a Iraqi man that she fell in love with.. it was a soldier from western world which is responsible for killing nearly a million Iraqis. Makes any sense? All you poor kids, grow up.
By the way,Isn't it funny that Indians think Iraqis are barbaric and Western world think Indians are barbaric? What are you going to do about it.. write a blog post to cry out loud?
@absconding -
"It's fortunate (for you) that you don't get killed (brutally) for expressing an opinion that's different from mine!!"
So when someone doesn't agree with you, they should get killed brutally? wow! You're right when you said opinions are like a@#@@#.
I laughed at them because of their style of arguing.
May be you should try EXPERIENCING what love is rather than 'reading about it'!!!
It's fortunate (for you) that you don't get killed (brutally) for expressing an opinion that's different from mine!!
And if you’re born as a human you must have these qualities in you no matter what. But I fail to see that in you (and I am not sorry to say this)
As absconding said you don’t have to sympathize...the least you can do is stop commenting your opinions. "
If that doesn't make you laugh, then I don't understand what will.
Adding this comment just to subscribe to the follow up comments. I don't wanna miss any action. Come on people.
Venkat - you do not seem to buy in one point. I know tht the girl knows tht her country does not allow women to walk around freely and talk to strangers (men). My rant was, just in case you probably missed, is that why the country is still subscribing to such acts. You might want to read my response to Rayees. I am damn sure that the same situation could be handled in a lot different way called human way. And why do you want to get other countries in? I am not trying to single out any country. It so happened that the news item I picked upon was from Iraq.
And if you get your English basics right, there is a sea of difference between "No one deserves to be killed" and "No one deserves to die".
And what I also fail to understand is that what do you want us to take from your counter argument? Are you here to say that what the family did to the girl was right? If that was the case, then I might want you to shut up. Of course, will be conveyed in a polite way.
And I am not here blogging to reform the world or to cry out for help. I write what I feel and you can't question me on that.
"So when someone doesn't agree with you, they should get killed brutally? wow! You're right when you said opinions are like a@#@@#." - Venkat
So sorry to hear that you didn't get what exactly I was trying to convey! READ IT AGAIN and relate that to the story...hmm.. may be you'll 'get it'!
Very glad to see that you have found humor in my comments. You have proven yourself..... AGAIN!!! And excuse me for arguing from a HUMAN standpoint. Who the hell can learn about an emotion or a feeling BY READING about it????
No one called a specific group of people barbaric. People called the ACTIONS barbaric. She was beaten to death. Oh..well..you know here among us human, we kind of feel that it is brutal and barbaric.
Are you here to say that what the family did to the girl was right?
No, I didn't say that. Read all my comments. What I said was the girl deserves it and I have given enough explanations to support my views.Now again,it's not about whether it's right or wrong but whether she deserves it or not for being such a fool.
If that was the case, then I might want you to shut up. Of course, will be conveyed in a polite way.
You can always ask someone to shut up...not sure how one can ask someone to shut up in a polite way.I think you are missing the very purpose of blogging...eventhough this is your blog, you have no right to stop people from commenting. However,You have the right to keep your blog private or delete comments which you think doesn't make sense.
My rant was, just in case you probably missed, is that why the country is still subscribing to such acts.
My point is that when you live in a country that subscribes to such an act,then control yourself or at least be smart enough not to romance in the public. Is it that difficult to understand? Wherever they are, Fools deserve to die and I don't care a damn about it because there are plenty of other deaths that deserves sympathy. And do you seriously think that the father killed his daughter because she was having a friendly chat with an English soldier? I bet there's plenty more that the bloody western media chose not to publish.
And if you get your English basics right, there is a sea of difference between "No one deserves to be killed" and "No one deserves to die".
Pot calling the kettle black?
Dude, come on,don't act as if you are a Shakespeare. My point was clear - I think there are people (millions of them) who deserve to be killed. Why else do you think countries still have death sentences?
I write what I feel and you can't question me on that.
Don't be childish.No one questioned your rights to blog.
Two rules of life that very well applies to blogosphere too:
Learn to accept opinions even if it differs from yours.
You have no rights to ask someone to shut up.
Venkat - I thank you for educating me on the way blog works.
And why would I want to argue with some one who doesn't know or want to appreciate the difference btwn getting killed for doing unlawful things and getting brutally killed for chatting or romancing a guy? Has the country declard tht wht d girl did was unlawful?
You started off well my friend. But ur subsequent comments were as bad as it can get and thts when I hit back.
I am here to accept other's POV. But if u want me to buy in insane comments, probably u can luk upon some one else.
"Venkat - I thank you for educating me on the way blog works."
You're welcome.
Ignored rest of your comments...you can hang on to your arguments.
you can wake up someone who is sleeping.. but not someone who is acting - John Mcgee
"I love acting. It is so much more real than life." - Oscar Wilde
btb,Who the hell is John McGee?
Everyone are hypocrites in some way or the other... All eccentrics are hypocrites for sure... But its corollary might not be true always... - John Mcgee
@ Venkat
John Mcgee is my neighbour
"Eccentricity is not, as dull people would have us believe, a form of madness. It is often a kind of innocent pride, and the man of genius and the aristocrat are frequently regarded as eccentrics because genius and aristocrat are entirely unafraid of and uninfluenced by the opinions and vagaries of the crowd."
A genius is never understood in its time - calvin.
You nailed it, Ramakichuna. I hope you really understood the quote that you posted. :P
i want to ask why do you hope ? but someone will say "Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness" , so i stop here.
I would have quoted the following.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies." - Andy.
A Fool always thinks that he is a genius... But a genius always thinks that he cud end up being fooled some day.. - John Mcgee
"Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." - Euripides
Dude, it's John McGee not John Mcgee. Anyone who has been to Central Park knows his name because before moving in as your neighbour he was lunatic roaming around Central Park.
@ Venkat
hehe How do YOU know that mate :P
And y do u get personal now? y do u talk bad about the persona life of my neighbour now?
I m sorry if my quotes reminded you of yourself by any chance... If it did, it was purely coincidental
If u call me a lunatic, I wud just say "Yeah... You are a Genius" - John Mcgee
What the hell? I do not want to google and quote here but I can say, at the least, that no genius ever claimed himself to be one and if he does, seldom he is one among them!
And if some one is genius and the rest of the world is unable to get there, so be it. Lest the self proclaimed genius shouldn't turn lunatic on non-acceptance!
Mac, U Rock - John Mcgee :D
Pot calling the kettle black?
Who got personal? Actor, Eccentric,fool? Frankly speaking, I don't have any problems with it.
No one proclaimed to be genius. All those quotes were sent as a response to your quotes and to show that using someone's quote in an argument is lame because there's equally powerful counter quote somewhere out there! It's funny that you guys thought.
@Prashanth,
What do you think of yourself? A freaking philosopher? :P
@John McGee's neighbour -
Dude, I've given an explanation about how I came to know about his name. Read,Understand and then Reply.
Hahahaha.... ROFL LMAO :D....
Venkat.... I seriously don't understand till now why in this earth you thought the words "Actor", "Eccentric", "Fool" AND "Genius" were for YOU!!! I already wrote a disclaimer that "I m sorry if my quotes reminded you of yourself by any chance.. If it did it is purely coincidental" and you needn't be a Shakespeare to understand this!
And I said U got personal coz u talked some crap about my begreat friend and my neighbour Mr. John Mcgee and that's why I said you do not have any reason to get personal here mate!
And I still don't see an explanation to my question "How do YOU know that"... If you say u've seen him in Central Park, I have to tell you something... He actually never knows what is Central Park.. When asked, he says "I know only Central Station and Park Station in Channai" :O...
@ Venkat - Did you mean a freaking philosopher or a philosophy freak?
In case you meant the former, probably I think a whole lot abt myself. Should you even care?
In case of latter - Not yet getting there! :P
@ All - I apologize for even picking this topic for a post. I should have let go the murder and the family just the way government did. I now realize why the govt did wht they did.
"I googled central park to locate it in Newytork,
But I know only Cubbon Park where street dogs bark!" John Mcgee
Where on earth is Newytork?
Venkat.... I seriously don't understand till now why in this earth you thought the words "Actor", "Eccentric", "Fool" AND "Genius" were for YOU!!!
you needn't be a Shakespeare to understand this!
Again, a funny case of pot calling the kettle black
Where did I connect those words with me? Like I said before Read, Understand and then Reply.
Prashanth, it's clearly mentioned as 'a freaking philosopher'. And who said I cared about who you are?
@ All - I apologize for even picking this topic for a post. I should have let go the murder and the family just the way government did. I now realize why the govt did wht they did.
LOL. You think Govt. should send out an official statement for each and every murder that happens on this earth?
Are my eyes deceiving me?? You guys are STILL on this??
We have already esbalished that there are mixed reactions about what had happened! Most people believe that it was a terrible thing to have happened to that girl. Some think that she knew what was coming and should have avoided feeling a certain way.. because she was well aware of the repercussions!!!
I'm not questioning your 'freedom' of speech. But don't you think that straying from the topic and thus making personal attacks is just absolutely unnecessary??
Trust me..talking about what you are talking about now is not going to change any of your mentality of views! Why waste your time over it when you can waste some time somewhere else! :D
Not that my comment is going to make a difference..but I thought I'd be in the sunflower among the weed!! :D
@ Merin - You stole the words from my mouth.
Guys, I would seriously appreciate if you could stop attacking each other with the war of words. Who is benefitting?
Not tht a serious discussion on the topic benefits some one :D
Huh?
"Oh Baby Baby, its a wild world" - This time its not John Mcgee, its Cat Stevens! *John Mcgee sniffing*... Ciao..
Double thumbs up for Absconding's post.
Dudes, you may want to check out this story
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSDEL29449420080516
finally Heartless honor topic ended up by hurting each other personally ...
whatever, looking at the above news it is pretty clear , what happened over there is not just the killing of girl but also the innocent 22 week kid ,
what is its fault , that it was sqeezed to death by honor shoes and those proud indian villagers are very proud for what has happened ...
whatever , but no religion justifies such practices,
neither the religion nor the nationality is to be blamed for ..
we should never forget about usilampatti wombs and infants ...
In some society a few cracks do it , and they justify it in the name of whatever pleases them ...
The cruelest murder in my view is Abortion, finishing with a quote of mother Teresa,
"The Greatest destroyer of peace is abortion,for if a mother can kill her own child, what is left for me to kill you and you to kill me, there is nothing in between "
same same :)
Prashanth:
The comments page for this particular was blocked in our office for some phrases and on seeing the count of comments in the main page, I thought some spammer have hacked your blog. Didn't know an interesting discussion WAS going on here. Good post!!!
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